Off the Record

Sidd Ekkad 0:01
Hey guys, this is Sid with WKNC, your favorite student run station at NCSU. We're here today with

Fine$$e 0:08
finesse the Phantom the one and only

Cash Paradox 0:10
cash paradox.

Sidd Ekkad 0:12
Awesome. Yeah, it's been really awesome getting to know more people from this label. And I've been a huge fan of your music for the last year now. So I'm really curious to hear like, all the different like factors going in and make this music possible. So first, I kind of want to highlight and congratulate you on like performing AIPAC. How what was that experience? Like? I mean, it headlining for Waka Flocka is insane. And then, like, kind of seeing the videos where you're just tapping into that raw aggression in the music was perfect. So I was just curious how, like, What did that feel like to you?

Fine$$e 0:41
Yeah, no, that was just definitely a surreal experience, to say the least. I remember when Joey first let us know like, oh, yeah, we're opening for Walker, this is happening. Like, just the whole thought process of like, like, this is happening like, it was. And it just, it kind of just instilled the stuff that I've been saying, for the past, you know, year and a half, two years that I've been working on music, you know, like, this is what's gonna happen. This is the trajectory that I'm heading on. And, you know, we all know that we're, we got it, that we have the talent, the cetera, et cetera, but to see moments like that, where it actually comes into fruition, and we actually like, I don't know, we have the proof in the pudding. It's so crazy. And then just out there with the crowd. Like, even though majority of them probably didn't know the songs or the lyrics, they still gave crazy energy they they still showed like, they really messed with us. And just that alone is just like, the energy is something you cannot replace ever. Oh, that's perfect.

Sidd Ekkad 1:44
That's great to hear. It definitely felt like Did it feel like kind of like a level up like from like, your usual venue?

Fine$$e 1:49
Definitely. I will say that that was my personal like, biggest crowd yet. Like, because we had, on average, we probably do like maybe 201 50 On an average show. So like seeing 1000 People just lined up like that. I was like, Oh, wow. Now this is a completely different experience. It almost like, removed less anxiety, seeing more people because it was like, Oh,

Sidd Ekkad 2:13
I got a bigger show to put on. Like, it was just crazy experience. Awesome. Yeah, just kind of like seeing the videos. And you were like getting all these really great chants going on. Like, how was like, perfect, like, you were definitely like, it felt like you were kind of like a natural up there.

Fine$$e 2:26
Yeah, I will say with a performing and just being on stage in general, that is when I feel the most confident and I feel like I can let my artistic expression shine the most like, because I don't know just being up there it is such like a freeing feeling like, I don't know, knowing that all the attention is on you all the energy is compressed towards you. And you know, it's kind of just like, I got a whole room of people to entertain like might as well just go all out. Like that is where I just let everything fly. And I will say it was extremely funny because afterwards, there was a lot of people coming up and being like, Oh, can we get a picture blase blah, like saying how much they love the set. And I was like, oh my goodness, I've never experienced something like this before. But that all just really like, it's what we worked for man. Like just moments like that just to be like, Yeah, we did that, like that happened.

Sidd Ekkad 3:15
Yeah, even from like an exposure setting. Like, even if, like you kind of mentioned like, some people may not completely know this set, but like, now they're gonna look it up. They're gonna research it. It's a great like, great way to like, put yourself out there. Like, yeah, that's great to hear. Congratulation. Thank you. And now kind of like to introduce yourself to people who may not know you like, we're How would this can go to both of you? Like, how would you pitch yourself to someone who has never heard?

Fine$$e 3:40
I'll go first. But I don't like to give myself a genre. At the end of the day. A lot of my music is very hip hop, themed and centric. But at the end of the day, we're trying to break those borders. We're just artists, so we're just like, if this sounds nice, we're just gonna throw it on it. And I don't know it feels like the more genres people try to label themselves in as Oh, I'm indie. I'm a trap rapper. I'm this that and the third like it's It almost just it's giving you less and less art to work with. So for example, like we have an upcoming EP and it's like, trap metal inspired with like tones of really heavy distorted rock vibes, but yet with very wrapped flows, and like it's just the fusion of all these different artistic avenues is the funnest stuff and music to me. Sounds awesome.

Sidd Ekkad 4:31
Yeah.

Cash Paradox 4:32
Yeah, for me, I guess I'd say like, like Vanessa, like, I don't have I don't box myself in one genre. I kind of just do anything I get my hands on like, as the most recently I started doing like Afrobeat music, and like they got me this man got me into like, the raging stuff, like, every day like ever since I'm at 47 in July, like I just been tapping into a whole different like, mindset like different genres everything so yeah, I bought myself and if someone asked me who I am, I'm just everyone, everybody at once.

Sidd Ekkad 5:04
That's perfect. If you think everywhere all at once, everywhere, that's a great way to describe yourself. I'm kinda like seeing like the different people on the label, like even getting to talk to Saturnalia, like a few weeks ago like love him. He didn't like, but he also does like boxing himself. And I think you can really get that from the music and I can really get the sense from like listening to your music, and kind of going through the Discogs. So kind of like, the way I want to kind of structure this interview is to like kind of go through the discard a little bit worse. So I kind of want to go to your album, I would say our debut album debut album that came out last year, and it's called the carnival. And there's a lot to take away. I think one of the main things and I think I really got that from the first two tracks was, would you say like, Florida and its hip hop sound have like a huge, like huge effect on you. Because I could really get that sense from the way you were dropping bars, but like the aesthetic around it,

Fine$$e 5:57
that's crazy. You say that I'm actually a Florida native. So it's so mind blowing that you put those pieces together and Florida really does like within these past few years with artists like x puya, fat, naked cetera, et cetera, like it, it's garnished, its own sound. And so like, that is definitely just the stuff that I listen to. So now that I got to a point where Oh, I can make my own stuff. Of course, I had to show a margin. Like, it was all subconsciously like, it's not like I'm going into a track and it's like, I'm gonna make this sound Florida. But it's like, at the end of the day, like I'm still legit, like, that's still like in my subconscious so yeah, no, I definitely the inspirations there.

Sidd Ekkad 6:32
That's perfect. Yeah. And and like it definitely like it sounded very organic to you. But at the same time, like you were hitting all those like, right beats like to make, because for to wrap the easy key to my heart. Oh,

Fine$$e 6:44
it's a beautiful genre.

Sidd Ekkad 6:46
So like, how long did you live in like Florida for?

Fine$$e 6:49
Um, so for the first I'd say about 1011 years of my life. And then my family runs a Italian restaurants. So I've essentially just moved like every two, three years of my life. So I moved around a lot in Florida, different spots like Oviedo, Fort Lauderdale, cetera, et cetera. And then we moved up here when I was about 1211 ish. And I had stayed over near the mountains on the west coast of North Carolina, Asheville for a few years, it's where I really liked garnished a lot of, I guess, my demographic and fan base now and then moving over here, I think, maybe like two, three years ago, I moved over to Greensboro area and then with Joe isn't going to stay it was just like, I felt so invited by North Carolina just being there within a few years because I really do rep. North Carolina the most like I consider myself a North Carolina artist, even though I'm from Florida.

Sidd Ekkad 7:47
No, I mean, like, so would you kind of say that, like you got in touch with Florida, kind of after you left? Almost like in a weird

Fine$$e 7:53
way. In a weird extent. Yeah. Cuz especially like, when I remember when I moved up here, that was a right when, like, x had just been emerging from underground scene. And that is one of like, my favorite artists. So like, seeing songs, like look at me, and I'm sipping tea, like seeing those blow up. As I come over here. It was almost like I brought a piece of Florida with me. So it was like, I see all these people. You know, they start like, realizing, oh, there's this guy blase blah. And it's like, Oh, I've been on him. Like he's from the same same part of Florida as me. Like, it was just, it was a very, I don't know, what's the word I'm looking for. But just a very nice feeling of just like, Oh, we got a little piece of home with me. So I guess you can say yeah, yeah,

Sidd Ekkad 8:30
that's awesome. Yeah, I definitely feel the same way with a lot of like, the places I've been in the past. So I definitely can relate to that a lot. So then kind of also going back into the carnival. One of the biggest juxtapositions is definitely the cover art because it's very, like it evokes that like a sense of peace, almost, it's very vibrant. But then you listen to the album, and like first track, you're like, oh, my gosh, was that kind of like an intentional choice? Or did you kind of like what were you trying to like channeled?

Fine$$e 8:52
Um, with the carnival so with the cover art specifically, that's made by another 47 member, Austin sellers shout out shout out, and he kind of, he makes all my cover arts and I let him kind of just creatively direct that and go crazy. So at first it didn't necessarily start with that intent or that vision like you know, premeditated but I've noticed this with a lot of art afterwards you kind of put the pieces together like after you get out of that, that flow that Zen state of just making then you realize afterwards in analyzing you're like, Oh, now there is a lot here because with the carnival the I was essentially just trying to make a metaphor with life like and the balance between making your own life heaven or hell that's why with the first track it's dancing with the devil and with the final it's godsend because that's kind of like my own balance of life can be heaven or hell it's really just all up to you on what what you want to make it so yeah, it definitely Yeah,

Sidd Ekkad 9:48
it's really creative and I can definitely get the sense from that I think what's even more like crazy about is like you do it in like very like, I wouldn't say limited but like very like show like selectively chosen tracks. So It's like it's all killer no filler almost. So like I like that like that's and I got that sense from it especially once we reach the ending track I was like, oh this kind of like comes to like a nice arc or felt nice yeah

Fine$$e 10:10
110% It definitely was supposed to be a roller coaster of emotions you know with the anger with the calmness with happiness, the sadness because that's life you know, you face the waves you gotta ride the waves it is a roller coaster of emotions. So like sorrows isn't where I was going there but essentially it just was a completely different mindset like all those are YouTube beats so like now that I have Mr. Cash paradox and producers alike that is a completely different mindset. But with those like YouTube beats, and and when I was first starting out, it was almost like I don't know, it felt more personal in a way because it was just me my headphones, and this little YouTube beat that I found and it if luck led to me just being way more vulnerable being way more I guess, raw with the sound and I that's how we came up with the carnival. Yeah,

Sidd Ekkad 11:04
perfect. Yeah, no, I definitely got that sense from the album. And I think like, I didn't actually like think about it. Told me in that moment, I was like, wait a minute, like, kind of was in the back of my head, ya know, the pieces are there. So and then like, also another thing kind of going back to like the stylistic shifts, like, like, how do you apply like a different pen game per like rap style, like, what is like the mindset you bring in when you're hitting something like dance, like dance with the devil versus something like flawless, or like introspective, like dream or like, yeah, um, that like, process, like,

Fine$$e 11:33
a lot of it really does have to deal with the feeling you get from the instrumental and the message you're trying to convey. So with the dancing with the devil, instrumental, it's a very up very, you can sense the anger without any lyrics having to be put down there. So it was like, okay, that's the mindset, the feelings, the energy that I'm getting from this. So I'm just gonna try my best to, you know, kind of harness harness this energy, you know, like, with creative stuff, I kind of just look at us as like vessels. And majority of the time, I you know, when people are like, Oh, my God, that was so good. I'm like, I was something higher than me, I didn't even write that. I'm just the vessel that put the pen to paper. So with something like a with juxtaposition, juxtaposition from dreamer to something like dancing with the devil, it is very different mindsets, very different emotions. But at the same time, it's not like I have to consciously switch anything up. It's just, oh, this is the feeling I'm getting. These are the thoughts that are flowing. It's, it's yeah, it's nothing really forced or anything like that.

Sidd Ekkad 12:34
And I think like, just not like trying to force yourself. Like they're kind of like curves, the, like the writer's block, a lot of people do, because sometimes they feel pressure to like, follow themselves up. So it's kind of good that you view yourself as a vessel. It's like a very healthy way to look at it.

Fine$$e 12:45
100%. And sometimes even the diversity can, in a sense, feel like the burn with that writer's block. Because it's almost like you have so many options to choose from. It's like, so where do I go, like, oh, I have I'll try to make a song. And it's like, I made a song that sounds just like this last week, I want to do something completely different than when you do something completely different. It's like, Well, that didn't sound like I wanted it to it's just a whole process nonetheless. And I've just this whole journey I've, I've taken it's just kind of been to learn to trust the process and learn that it's going to be straight no matter what. Yeah, that's,

Sidd Ekkad 13:18
that's a great way to look at it. And then like, kind of also like, directing to you like, is that kind of how you see like, the way you produce? Like, is that the way like, like, kind of just letting it flow through you being a vessel? Or do you have like, a different mindset to it?

Cash Paradox 13:30
I can just let it flow through me. Like whenever I'm producing I kind of just like fine, whatever I like, kind, I don't have the vision whenever I go into just like fine, whatever I like and then just start making something around it. And if they like it, then they use it. If not, we move on. But yeah, like I just I let the creativity flow through me like on the spot.

Sidd Ekkad 13:48
That's perfect. That's great to hear. Yeah. Cuz like, I think like having a creative process where you're basically just trusting yourself is like scary. Like I think that's genuinely very scary, especially when like, you're trying to come up or you're trying to like follow up like something that you may think is like your magnum opus, like, it's like, that sounds good. I'm really like, glad to hear that. Like you guys are kind of like practical, like you kind of like figure your way around.

Fine$$e 14:11
Yeah. And with that, you you will never kind of lose the fear when it comes to creativity. Because it's almost like the more you try, the less good it sounds in that way. So it's almost like the more experimental you try it again, the more you're like I've never heard something like this, the more inclined you are to get that you know that negative backlash those people being like this sounds garbage. What are you doing like? So of course, there is always that fear and anxiety of will people like this, but I think at the end of the day, as long as like, if you can listen to it and be like I like this, I mean somebody else out there will because I feel like a lot of people nowadays they try to like Garner to a specific sound a specific fan base and in a sense where it's like they want to sound like something instead of just us doing what feels natural to them and just trying to pave their own little way. It's crazy.

Sidd Ekkad 15:06
It's a great way to look at it. So then kind of also moving into like that creative process like, what are like your recording sessions? Like what are your producing sessions? Like what like what is like the feelings you try to evoke? And like, do you try to make it specific? Or do you kind of just like also like apply the way you do with like your creative process

Fine$$e 15:24
with oh, goodness, the sessions are, okay, so with the collaborative sessions, it it always just feels like friends hanging out, because at the end of the day, when you're making a collaborative piece, and I've learned this a lot, just being in 47, and having all these collective mates with me to make music with the chemistry is the most important thing. You know, you're in a room full of talented people already, but if you guys don't mesh well together, that talent is pointless. So at the end of the day, we can spend you know, three four hours just playing around with them sounds freestyling blase blah, and then 3045 minutes of actual Alright, let's sit down. Let's focus like you you can get so lost and just how fun and great the energy is. That like sometimes you forget, oh, yeah, we just made like how many songs tonight like that? You just get so lost in the moment. So lost in the vibe that it's just it's a feeling you can't replace as much you

Cash Paradox 16:20
literally feels Yeah, like you said, like just hanging out with friends just having a good time, really. Because the more serious you take it like the more you go into a session, you're like, alright, we have to make this song do we have to do this, like, it's just never going to turn out good, because it's just a forced forced action, like just forced creativity. Whereas, like, if you guys hang out for a bit, just chill before you before this session, and like, gather up some creativity, watch some YouTube videos, or like, listen to some music before we do that, and everything works out so much better.

Sidd Ekkad 16:51
So like what are like some of the things you guys use to like for like, promote that creativity naturally, like what videos do you guys watch? Like what songs you guys pick? Like?

Fine$$e 17:00
Honestly, a lot of the times, it will just spawn out of boredom and just being like, you guys want to go cook. But sometimes it will be oh, we're watching a documentary about the history of music. And then we'll be like, I'm really inspired right now or we'll watch an interview. Performance blase blah, and you get that spontaneous inspiration right there. And we're all just have that consensus of like, yeah, we need to be there, like, but it feels very spontaneous, very natural, or no,

Cash Paradox 17:32
it comes out the middle of nowhere, really, because, especially for me, like, I don't, like it's only certain times where like, we actually get our creativity off something else. I said that but like, at the same time, like most of the time, like, my creativity comes from, like, outside influences sometimes. Like for example, like I go to play soccer. And like, I'm feeling refreshed. I'm like, Okay, I'm ready to make a beat. Or like, play basketball. Like, just anything that like, physical activity is one of the things that really gets me going when it comes to music. So

Sidd Ekkad 18:05
yeah, yeah, that's really great to hear. Like, I never really thought about like soccer. So like, I always thought about, it's like a stress relief, but like, kind of like promoting the creativity. It's like really good to hear. Yeah,

Cash Paradox 18:13
yeah, kind of just like, gets you up, like awake, kind of that makes sense. takes your

Fine$$e 18:18
mind free clear the body, or vice versa.

Sidd Ekkad 18:22
That's perfect. Yeah. And so, like, also, like, kind of moving into this, like, what is it like, like recording with these features? Like do like do they send in their verses? Or do they do they do like to come have them like, kind of come into the studio, and like record next to you. So you guys can like work off a vibe. I know, you kind of mentioned that. It's like a bunch of friends recording. I'm like, kind of expand on that. Like, what does that like?

Fine$$e 18:42
Um, honestly, personally, it feels like 80% of the things we make are very natural in the moment. Like, you kind of have to be there to you know, experience it, which sometimes sucks, because sometimes you'll hear a crazy song, you'd be like, Oh, let me get on that. And you're like, sorry, you weren't there. And Joey Zan actually has helped, like, instill that a lot of just in the moment, you know, in the energy, like, just harnessing what's going on in the moment, like he has helped like, promote that a lot. But there is of course that 20% Where it's like, you just hear a beat and it's like, Yo, send me that I'll have a verse ready by however long like there will be those certain moments but majority of the time it very much so is just whoever's there is cooking up and because it because it is just at the end of the day, a bunch of friends hanging out and we all just so happened to make music. So it's just like, alright, let's all find something that let's all find our little avenue that we know we can do. You'll have one person playing with instrumentals. One person in the dogs can structuring everything to three people just on their phones writing freestyling and that's just our fun, honestly. That's perfect. Yeah.

Sidd Ekkad 19:56
And like I think that's a great way to go about especially because It's like everyone gets the flow of the song. I like that. It's like you kind of had to be there. Very exclusively.

Fine$$e 20:05
Oh, definitely. Now there's been one or two songs where I've been like, oh, I can I can get a verse on that I can do that. But you just can't. It's just not going to be the same if you were there versus it's yeah, it's a different energy man, it it honestly did take a second for my ego to let that kick in. Because that first time where it was like, I wanted to be on that song, and it almost like makes you strive harder for the next session, because it's like, okay, I didn't get to be on that one. The next one we cook up, I'm gonna be the best one on that song. It's it's all friendly competition. Honestly, man, it's so great.

Sidd Ekkad 20:38
That's the best way to go about it. I love it, love to hear it. And then kind of, I kind of want to go into like Yawei a little bit that's a very that's a song that really stuck out to me. There's almost like this grand nature to it. Like it's almost like, like it matches perfectly. And so and but like that is like something especially when we get into phantoms versus Reapers, like you definitely go back to that sound a lot. But it's like, do you like tapping into like, grand sound like do you like aim to go grand?

Fine$$e 21:05
I will say, my favorite album of all time is my beautiful dark, twisted fantasy. And the sounds on that it feels I love I guess the sub genre Agricola is rap opera, where it feels so grand. It feels like it's very cinematic. But at the end of the day, it's just bars. That is a beautiful sound. And I think you can convey a lot of poetry on that. Because it just feels like you're you're listening to a movie, you know, like, it feels like you're getting immersed into this epic symphony. And yeah, no, that is one sub genre I can always lean back to

Sidd Ekkad 21:43
yeah, that's, that's perfect. Yeah, like, I think that that if there's any album that encapsulates that it's that one. Like, you literally start with a story that says once upon a time, that's literally ends like that, and then it ends with like a knife. Like literally perfect. Like, I love it. It's like, that is different. Like I love albums, I tell stories, like do you think like, that's something you're going to explore, like, further on, like, you want to incorporate narratives in there.

Fine$$e 22:08
Oh, 110% I just love taking a concept and really running with it. Like, like I said, with the carnival, I mean, that was my first little taste of putting a cohesive project together with all the songs. And once I realized, like, oh, I can go very deep with this by being extremely vague. Because it feels like I mean, art is all just interpretation. So I can honestly make something extremely vague, have no substance or conscious behind it, but somebody out there will put some deep meaning to it. So just hearing all the different interpretations of that I would love to create that feeling even more like for example, this upcoming EP that me and cash have it, it does kind of take a concept in a way. So this kind of loops back to the question of do you guys watch anything to get inspired? There was a it was my birthday and I was watching Deathnote and we cooked up that razor thing and that just spawned a rabbit hole of just the sound I wanted to go for. And the theme that I wanted to go with essentially battling my fear of mortality and really instilling the idea of everything is going to be okay you know don't ever worry about your time like when it comes it comes but you're just no you're okay today and you're gonna live to see tomorrow doing that within just screaming like it's it's a different really different feeling a really different process. So yes, I love concepts I'm gonna be going into them so much

Sidd Ekkad 23:38
feature right I think like the concept albums definitely, I wouldn't say dying out but you don't see it too often these days, you

Fine$$e 23:43
know, it just feels like a like a mixtape bunch of songs that they've made and it's just like Alright, there you go.

Sidd Ekkad 23:48
That's what I'm saying like and then like you'll like once in a while you'll come across like a great narrative like forever story or something along those lines and it's just like fantastic. So like kind of going into like this narrative idea when you were working alongside when you were working alongside finish the Phantom like for this mix it like did you work on like escalating it kind of like telling the whole story or did like you kind of like pace every beat out? And then see if you can like make a connective tissue like what was the

Cash Paradox 24:14
Yeah, kind of just like sci fi see if we can connect it. So basically, the way this happened was so yeah, we made we made the song called Mayday. It was me Joey Zan and Kata. And after that, like, because that was my first time ever making a beat like that, like a trap metal beat. So I went into it and he hopped on, they all hopped on and I was just like, alright, this is fire. So from there, I just he asked me like, do you want to do a four pack? And I was just like, yeah, sure, why not? Because I wanted to try. I just wanted to see like how deep into this trap metal stuff I could go. So we ended up just like make. Well here's the thing, like, I would sit down I'd make a beat. If he liked it. We just hop on it and like based off that we just did that, like five times, and then the five songs came together.

Fine$$e 25:04
Yeah, no, they really did work out a little too. Perfect.

Sidd Ekkad 25:07
Perfect. Yeah, like sometimes just happens to fit really well. I'm glad like you could do like kind of like just on yourselves like as a good collaboration duo.

Fine$$e 25:14
Oh no. 110% Like I said, I mean, my first project was like YouTube beats. So to be able to have a producer convey those type of, you know, feelings that I want to convey an instrumental like, that is a crazy feeling that I'm just now realizing as a normal. Like, it's, I don't know, I will say feels like my music has elevated ever just so much since like, collaborating with him people like Willie do JRC other members in 47. Like, it just it drives you to be better. 110%

Sidd Ekkad 25:53
Awesome. Yeah, that's great to hear you like I'd really like interested in this EP like, I'm really curious because like trap metal is like, the most unexpected genre to come out in the last few years. I will say that much. And I think like just hearing like new takes on it and interesting spins on it, like kind of taking this introspective take on trap metals. And I'm very curious to see what that's like.

Fine$$e 26:13
It is a very interesting subject and a very interesting sound. I mean, there's one track on there that we have with Qatar, where he mixes like the funk SIDE OF TRAMADOL, that you would get from like, three six mafia suicide boys. But then there's a beat switch where it has like, UK drill drums in the back. It's like it's I remember hearing I was like you mixed funk, trap metal, and drill into a song I've never heard that. Like it was just one of those moments where it just took me back and I was like, Oh, this stuff is possible you can still make new stuff like it's it's a crazy

Sidd Ekkad 26:50
little big brain. Wow. I'm really curious. Now. I'm very, very curious. What's also your song after this, we got you. And so it kind of like before we move into phantoms versus reefers. I do have like a few like individual questions for you, of course. So kind of like what exactly about producing? Like, did you really connect with what was like the baseline? Interesting thing that really caught you?

Cash Paradox 27:10
Alright, so here's the story. So, um, my first silly when I first ever made a beat, it was like for a school project in eighth grade. So basically, we were like, supposed to make a rap song about current events. And everyone who's using YouTube, he's probably just like, Nah, I'm producing my own beat. So I got on GarageBand. He like, made like this dance beat. And I did rap on it. And like, after I got 100 on that, I was like, Alright, I hadn't produced for like, maybe two, three years after that. But then I hopped on FL Studio. And then I got into that and 2018 I just started getting into it more and more. And the reason I really got into it was because like I had the music background, I've been playing the violin since I was six. So like, I had the music theory, I knew what to do like, what drums should sound like, I didn't have any like, well, here's the thing, I didn't really have much experience listening to much like popular music, but just based off what I knew what I've heard, I was just like, Alright, I'm gonna go into it and see what I can do. So yeah, that's basically how I got into producing. And after that, I just kept building and

Sidd Ekkad 28:17
you just gotta get that ball rolling. And then next thing you know, it can be something as unexpected as a school project about current events. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah.

Fine$$e 28:24
Did you did you get a plus on that project? About 100? That's okay. As you should

Sidd Ekkad 28:29
see it, we love to see it. And kind of also another question that I had was like what is like you talked about like not having many references when he first started but like, kind of like going in like now you're you're telling me you've experimented with like Afro beats trap metal? Like what are your some like, prime producer inspirations like Who are your like foundational texts,

Cash Paradox 28:48
Metro Boomin. Boom, I'm telling you, like, the reason I use FL Studio is because of him. Like before, when I first started listening to rock music around the age of like, 1516 I was listening to Metro beats, like, Southside beats all that so I was just kind of those are kind of my inspirations, like, I don't make much like, I still make chop, obviously, but like, I make everything now so like, um, they're not fully my inspirations anymore, but as like, as of like, the beginning of my career and like, coming up in Metro Southside. Like, even my homies That's awesome.

Sidd Ekkad 29:23
Yeah, no, it's crazy. Like how much like those two in particular, along with 808 Mafia like it just produce so many songs from like, our middle school high school. Like yeah, they're always for real. And then you have a row and then you got like people like Pete Rock, and you're like, Yo, you're going all the way back but like, those are like the foundational texts for us like our generation those are us. So it's great to hear that like they're kind of already paving away for new liberal and like you're already using them as your own. They're like the pioneers with this. Yeah, that's awesome. And then also like, what are some songs and you can kind of like describe them because if you don't have them, like out or anything, but like, what are some songs that you produce that you encapsulate, like your best work or like, and you can kind of describe them or give us like a point of reference,

Cash Paradox 30:06
I consider my best work to be stuff I played the violin on. So, for example, I have a song called 6am in Brighton with this UK artist rd. And that was like my first song that I had like in a different country, but basically that like, I'd send out some like samples me playing the violin, and they just used on a beat and then got placed with this guy. So I'd say that's one of my best pieces, like, just my UK stuff in general, UK, Italy, like all the international stuff I really like a lot. As far as like music I made with these guys, I'd say like, this is a song that mean Joey's in half called won't be sold. Crazy song. We it was a great experience working on that. And like that's probably like one of my favorite rap songs I've made. And of course, this EP I had with him like, I tapped into a whole new like, a whole new genre basically that I'd like not I wasn't used to so probably that too.

Sidd Ekkad 31:06
That's perfect. Yeah, no, like, I'm really curious to hear like, I definitely want to go back and start listening to these UK stuff. Like if, because those things they'd be sampling and these songs like, even like in a more mainstream aspect. It's like, so insane and like you sometimes it is memorable. But most of the time it's like, genuinely inspired. Like it's genuinely so inspired. And like the fact that you're tapping into that and you're like violence, like especially in rap songs. Perfect. You literally Yeah, perfect. So I'm so curious, I definitely want to go and check these out in the show. And now kind of moving into phantoms versus Reapers because I got a lot of questions about these. So and this like an interesting thing here that I noticed kind of going directly from the carnival into fandoms versus reefers is there's almost like a handoff of you and Nikias, like from the last track. And then you guys kind of move into this EP. So like, what was like you guys have great chemistry. So like what was like the process of recording like a full project with him? Like what was that? Like?

Fine$$e 32:00
Oh, man, well, first off, that was one of the first like music friends that like, even before we have made a collaboration, I was a fan like genuinely I was like, Oh, his music is different. And then I kind of just piece the puzzle together that he was the last song on the Carnival. And then we had our collaborative coming up next because it was so spontaneous. Like the rest of these things are I think, one day he just posted on his Instagram story. He was like, I'm trying to collab with more people who trying to do a collab tape. And then I was like, Well, if you're just offering them what's Yeah, literally and then like that whole tape we just knocked out in one studio session just and none of it is like mixed or mastered either. It's just the straight like studio demos. So like adds just that even more of just like raw just like, I don't know, in a sense like, exactly that just like a demo tape vibe, because I don't know just, I even noticed from God sent like just our chemistry, it was great. So offer if I knew that that project is gonna be different and we're both just very diverse rappers to begin with, like, I don't know, Nicki is by far I've been saying this for the longest is one of if not the best rapper right now. So to be able to have a whole collab project with him, that was definitely a full circle moment for me.

Sidd Ekkad 33:23
That's awesome. Ya know, like, cuz he really brought something that like I was not expecting, and like the delivery is like really impeccable. And I think it complements both of you like really? Thank you. That's awesome. And so kind of also kind of like going into like the roots part. There's a great Detroit review on here called below chop. What was the mindset behind that? I think every every time I hear a Detroit beat, they always sound like they're having the most fun so did you man,

Fine$$e 33:49
like I just loved the Detroit sound in general, you know, BABY JOHN, Rio de oncology, all of them like they're doing that thing. So Nick, he is also really loves the Detroit sound like you. You'll hear throughout his own discography like, that is one of his favorite sub genres to go to so I think actually three, two of the beats on families versus Reapers he sent me and that was one of them. And I had never did a flint type before but I always was like, I can do that. I can flow on that. And just recently, whenever I started writing that I think the remix for paperwork party had dropped with Jack Harlow and Babyface Re and I was like, Ah, okay, okay, I can I can glide on this all smooth, like, and so yeah, no, it was very just a different feeling. I always want to try with new sub genres. So it was just like that when I was like, I had to have to dip my toes in. That's

Sidd Ekkad 34:44
perfect. Yeah, no, I love that. It's always like the most fun listening. I'm a babyface Re and like that was my first like real taste of it. So it's great to hear like, just people are like, like, kind of like sending it back.

Fine$$e 34:55
Oh 100% Man, the influence is everywhere. Like are you I had watched this one for an interview with Rick Rubin. And essentially he was saying like in the studio, he always tries to harness somebody else's energy, you know, like, try to always direct his energy into, you know, you can't always be in the comfortable, especially as artists, you're always trying to get a sense out of that comfort zone. Because if you're in the comfort zone for too long, you're just making boring stuff. You know, it's too easy. Like, there will be times where like, cash will pull up a sample. And then me and Joe, you'll just be there as like, quality control, just like yeah, that one. And you will be like, ah, too easy. Like, we just know, like, there's just certain stuff where it's like, this is we can easily do this make it sound amazing, but it's like, it's not different.

Sidd Ekkad 35:45
I feel like I think like, bringing that mindset in here, like, especially like at this point. Fantastic. Because you want to set that precedent for like, years to come. Oh, when was your 10%? So that's awesome. Like, and I really relate with that. I think like the fact that Pharrell said that is like, indicative of why he's so successful. Oh, 100%

Fine$$e 36:05
he's a he's a goat.

Sidd Ekkad 36:06
He's one of the goats. Yeah, for sure. And then like, you dip into a lot of new sounds off a second tracks name escapes me, unfortunately. But that was like very, like, I love the sense like, oh my goodness, it sounded so sleek. And so just like, like any just going from Detroit to that, and then you go, you can kind of take it back into the boom, bap a little bit like, like, that's so interesting. It's like what was like the intent behind that one, too, was it also just more riffing more

Fine$$e 36:30
year with that one, um, all of those were like YouTube beats, they were just like, beats throughout, like, we had just had in our vault for months, just like, oh, this will be fire. And looking back on it, every single song sounds very different. And the second and fourth track are actually solo tracks. So the second track is just Nikias. And the fourth track is just me and that second one, I believe, is a doggy dog world. And, yeah, no, that's, I don't even know what sub genre that would be considered as but that is just Nikias. That isn't the key is the sound and I love it so much. Like, you can hear like every single song sounds different, they all touch on a different sub genre. And it's amazing. Like, I think just diversity in general has always been one of my strong suits. Like, you know, growing up, I would have in my headphones, the normal stuff like a little Wayne, a Kanye or Eminem. And then I would want to listen to stuff like My Chemical Romance Black Veil Brides, you know, like Papa Roach. And then just to go even deeper into like, og jazz artists like Miles Davis, Duke Ellington, just Nina Simone. Like that diversity helped me so much into making art because like I told you earlier, it just can never put me in a box, I can hear so many things and be like, I can do something with that. So that tape was just kind of an example of that, but with rap,

Sidd Ekkad 37:56
perfect, ya know, like, you're like, kind of hearing like, you have this huge frame of reference, like, you can take so much from that level. Totally good. Like, it's awesome. That's great, too. Also, Nina Simone has done so much. We love her. But kind of seeing where it was. And he kind of went into this but like, and this kind of goes into like you guys is like collaborative like environment. Do you ever like request like a specific type of vibe with your beat? Or do you just kind of see what's in the vault and see how you flow on it? Like are there like a little bit of a mix of

Fine$$e 38:24
the two? Yeah, It honestly feels like a mix of the bag. There is some nights where we'll just go into a session I'll be like cash make me a hyper pop beat. And like that'll just happen but a lot of the times it really is just natural in the moment. Oh you guys want to cook Okay, he'll find a sample and then he'll be like oh like this okay, back give me a sec and then 15 minutes later we all have our just heads and our phones writing that's awesome.

Sidd Ekkad 38:48
Yeah, like and does that kind of like keep you on your toes like a really good way?

Cash Paradox 38:52
Yeah, I'd say so. So yeah, basically, I just I just go with what the artist wants like like I just as a producer i My job is to like facilitate my artists vision. So I just kind of go with the flow like Like he said just pull up stuff and if they like it and we go in with it is

Sidd Ekkad 39:10
perfect. Yeah, no, that's great to hear like to hear there was like a nice bit mix up surprising each other at the same time. Always. Always. So now kind of like some general questions. We've kind of talked about like the projects that you're proud of or like the songs you're proud of like what are some of the songs that you've released or maybe even unreleased that you think are like your most like that's your crowning your crown jewel re

Fine$$e 39:32
released the three pack a journey to realize with me, Joey's and GRC my two cousins, brothers. Oh my goodness, that three pack of theme song true love and talking to town. I think all those songs are perfect. And the fact that we like made it within I think it was in a span of like a week and then we had like those three tracks and then like five other more that we just were like not good enough. Like But those three I think, showed off our energy so well and it's like, it is a go to to show people like, Okay, this is my music because it's the production quality is very high. The mastering sounds amazing, the are lyrically, all three of us some of our best works. And it's just the sounds all together as crazy, but unreleased definitely would have to be this upcoming EP that I have with him. Like, as I always have been a fan of that trap, metal rage sound, I've always wanted to convey that anger in some healthy way. And dancing with the devil was like my first little taste of that. But again, it was a YouTube beat. And I was that was around the time where I was trying to stray away from that, so to be able to link up with him, and then just hearing that first song and it was like, Oh, you can do this? Well, guess what? I can do this too. So we should do this more. And to just see the final product of that it. It shocked me even because I was like oh my goodness, I can do that with my voice. Like I can just give this type of energy to a track. It's something like to surprise yourself artistically is definitely one of the greatest achievements you can have as an artist to be like, oh, shoot, I did that. That was me. Nice.

Sidd Ekkad 41:17
tapped into something completed the vessel thing.

Fine$$e 41:18
Yes, my vessel. Awesome.

Sidd Ekkad 41:21
That's great to hear. And then like, also, like, also kind of doing even deeper like what are like some specific bars were like, oh my god, I wrote that. That's kind of it's been a nice.

Fine$$e 41:32
I I've been trying to make what I like to call a conscious bullsh where it's like, at the end of the day, I want there to be truth and meaning to everything. But at the same time, I understand, especially with this generation of music, a lot of it's just a vibe, a feeling. Sometimes you just want to turn your brain off and not focus on how you know deep life can be. I enjoy that. I like deep thinking. But let me just a one liner. I like the bar on top of the town but I say something along the lines of I think along the lines of like we got demons off Angel Dust and I was like, oh my goodness, I did that. But there's one setup that I really have where it was like the first time I did like a step one step two type thing and I say less than one take your rose 10 Burn it to ash lesson two, nothing matters. So go make your damn cash. Lesson three smoke some greens simply laugh at the past Lesson four walk out the door and so the world kiss your ass. And that's just essentially like, that sums up my whole like perception on life of just optimistic nihilism and essentially just being like, yeah, all of this is fake and I can be negative in a way and just be like, Oh, nothing matters, but I'm gonna go out there and find something that matters. Like, I'm not gonna live in that ignorance is bliss mindset. Like, I'm gonna just go get it man.

Sidd Ekkad 43:02
That's perfect. That's great to hear and like also like what's really interesting with the optimising now nihilism thing is Saturday Elisa the exact same thing for when he was applying it to his music. So that's like really cool that like you kind of have like that. Yeah, so like that's that's really great to hear. I think like that's especially like that bar like I think having like a structure bar like that and keeping like a good rhyme scheme. It's like really difficult.

Fine$$e 43:21
Oh, rhyme schemes are easily one of the funnest things I like to go with them. I've been branching out into that a lot more recently, but one of my favorite artists of all time is MF DOOM. And seeing the way he would mix his rhyme schemes and rhyme patterns and how many he could fit within just like four bars always blew my mind and then like, there would be other rappers like of course like Biggie and then like Earl Sweatshirt, where I would see them kind of do the same thing and it's like you can bend your words to make just this rhyming in itself is just a completely different avenue that I'm still trying to go down but ya know, it's so fun to just make all these different rhymes,

Sidd Ekkad 44:03
rhyme schemes are such as and like, the more you can like, stretch it out like the more we realize like a you can like take it like Doom is unprecedented like things you can say words with is like insane. Like, that man definitely has like a dictionary on him for sure.

Fine$$e 44:16
Oh, he I feel like he was just a walking dictionary.

Sidd Ekkad 44:19
He was definitely like that for sure. And then kind of also go like asking you the same similar question to what I was asking. Cash was like, what when did you realize like, rapping was your true calling, like, oh my god, like the moment you're like, oh, okay, actually, like take us a little bit further.

Fine$$e 44:33
I feel like the stones were always in place. You know, like the seeds were always there. Like, someone one of my earliest memories is I would be in pre K kindergarten, singing Justin Bieber at all the sixth grade girls and they'll be like, Oh my God, that you know, little taste of performing. I didn't even realize this. You know, however many years later that that was one of my first instances of Oh, I really love performing in front of people like I love just being able to just go out there and let it all out. So like. I'm sorry, repeat the question again. I lost it.

Sidd Ekkad 45:09
I just like when did you realize like that was like, like, oh yeah, key moment.

Fine$$e 45:13
It was honestly a few years ago when I moved to North Carolina, I had felt extremely isolated. And it seemed like, I had to do something to to not go down this unhealthy Road, like I had to do something. And I always loved music, I always had my headphones. And I was always a deep writer, like, I would be great with writing stories, and even poems that wouldn't rhyme or whatever, just to be able to convey that thought. And so writing was always something very deep and personal to me. So once I had reached the age, where I actually remember the first instrumental I wrote to was an all girls are the same remix, it was so bad, so horrible, so angsty preteen, but it was like, it was the start of something beautiful, because I just kept going. And I feel like that is the key to everything is consistency. Because I could have just heard how bad that first lower writing sounded, and been like, Well, that was that I'm not good at it. But I spent the next few years just keep writing and writing and new opportunities kept going up, and I would keep taking them. And it just felt like I was progressing so much rapidly. Like it's just this is what I was supposed to do the true color. Yeah, really, man. Like, like I said, everything is written in the stones itself. I'm just kind of here observing. That's

Sidd Ekkad 46:43
awesome. Yeah, no, it's a great way to look at it. I think like, the fact that like, even just realizing like, this was like, I love performing for people. And like, the most funniest way, that's crazy. And I can really see that in the way and like, kind of moving into your live performances, like, how, like, how is it like tapping into that raw energy of like those songs like I saw, you're dancing with the devil video where you're just on there going crazy. And you're able to really rile up that crowd like, like, what's that like, like, kind of like tapping into that energy, like matching the song,

Fine$$e 47:11
the best feeling I can relate it to is like, like a drug I really being up on that stage. And just letting it all go. It's like, wow, it, it has given me a new realm of confidence, it has given me a new realm of like determination, like, because there's been multiple performances, where after dancing with the devil, specifically, after I'm performing that song, I'll just go in the back and just like pass out for a few minutes. Like, specifically at this Walker show, I remember. Right after I got done performing it, I drilled a bottle of water and just like laid down behind the DJ set and waited for my next performance. And I was like, I'm gonna take a breather, because I just let it all out. But another thing I tell people when I'm performing is I don't even remember a lot of it like to go deeper into that vessel thing. Like, it really just feels like, Alright, I'm up in front of that crowd. There's a switch, you know, it's it's like a game time decision, like a, like an MVP going into his game, or just something like that, where it's like, okay, I'm in a different area, different realm switch, and it's subconscious. But it always happens like it never fails. Well, it does the the confident, that's fantastic. Gotta have confidence, because I don't know, my confidence in myself has really just kind of infiltrated everything else in my life. Because there was a point in time where I wasn't this confident. And I didn't see myself in this light. And it felt like everything was so much more negative, and the world was so much more against me. And now that I have this new perception, new outlook, it feels like the world is in my favor. It feels like, yeah, it feels like the path is kind of being carved for me. And since I'm trusting it, I kind of get, like, get little glimpses of where the path is going. Like, I'll never fully know, to the extent of where this is going. But I know it's where it's going.

Sidd Ekkad 49:08
That's fantastic. That's great to hear. No, I like the way of performing so that's great. That's great to hear. And kind of like talking to you. Like would you ever want to get involved in that live area? Like would have you ever DJ before? Like, would you ever consider DJing

Cash Paradox 49:23
I've also I've always thought about it like I wanted to DJ I wanted to like play the violin with a band I wanted to I wanted to be an artist at one point like a lot of like, different ways of performing live is like come up in my head and I like not thought of what I want to do just yet like DJing seems like the most likely avenue for me. But at the same time like I'm really interested in like trying before I moved to LA in February just like at least doing one show with the violin like with my homies and see how that like 16 If I enjoy really

Sidd Ekkad 49:51
labels the perfect one I can just see like I could, I could honestly see you guys like finding a way to like fit that in. So I think you should totally pursue them. That sounds fantastic. I'm not sure Yeah, for sure whip out

Fine$$e 50:00
the violin for the show on the 16th on one of the rager beats just while I'm screaming just

Cash Paradox 50:07
I was gonna do for Joey set.

Fine$$e 50:10
Oh, that's for context for listeners, we have an upcoming show for the EP we've been talking about this whole time. And it's going to be in Greensboro. And it's essentially a whole listening experience definitely got a lot of influence from Donda, because that was like one of the first experiences I had went to. And yeah, we're just turning this into a whole thing. So I'm glad hearing because that's also one of the times like, only times I've heard you say that. So it's like, that's gonna be another instance. Awesome. Great to hear.

Sidd Ekkad 50:41
I'm really excited to see that, um, I really, I want to pull up for sure. Oh, you have to go to and then like, kind of, we're gonna wrap this up with a few little like, smaller questions, but it's like, who are some of like your favorite artists? I know, you had mentioned like some Wayne, you mentioned some Metro Boomin. But like, who are some more that are like way out there that you think people should know about or like that really influenced you or really impacted the way you feel? Like just any artists in general.

Cash Paradox 51:06
I spent a lot of time listening to like the local artists of Raleigh. Louis, just like between the years of like, 2020 and 2022. Like, I was listening to a lot of rally music just maybe stuff I produce yourself like my friends produced or stuff that my friends made in general. So a lot of them inspire me, like, at the same time, like, yeah, oh, the best answer. The best answer is my friends inspire me. Like all the people that I work with inspire me. Oh, love

Fine$$e 51:35
you, too, buddy. Oh, yeah, no, definitely big inspiration. Everyone around me, it's almost like, like I said earlier, with a friendly competition, it drives you to be better because you got so many talented people around you. But I guess I can just go with like a top five right now. Number one, like the artist who is most influential to me, even though I don't support a lot what he's doing right now, but I'm not gonna get into that rabbit hole. Kanye West, his music has helped my confidence, my perception and a lot of things and so many different ways that like, I always just gotta give kudos where kudos is due number two with X, same kind of perception. That was one of the first artists I saw who was very conscious, who was very, you know, like, one of the first artists I could relate to, in a way, like so that was just a completely different thing. And I've always show respect to him three, like I mentioned earlier, Doom, I think he's one of, if not the most impressive MCS and poets of all time, like just everything is completely different. And then we try to make the to less pop, less rappy I got to throw in Queen in there, because at Freddie Mercury is one of my biggest stage presences, like, like, influences on that like, seeing the way he was so free on stage like, and just how deep all the songs were, it was just, that's an influence. I gotta throw in there. And then Ozzy Osbourne, because with the performing again, that just with the influence of just that was one of the first people who I heard like, oh, he beat up bad on stage, all these wild things are like, why it's like, people can just do that. And it's like, yeah, he did that.

Sidd Ekkad 53:24
It's crazy, because it's like, I'm not as well versed in metal, but like, just hearing like the stage presence is the one thing you'll always like, if you ask anybody about like an AC DC Led Zeppelin, like Ozzy Osbourne, it's just like their stage presence is immaculate like, and it's just raw energy. Like sometimes it won't even be like a full like set backdrop. It'll just be like them just screaming and bringing it and then every single reference like that specific time and that specific place like Queens got his like, live a concert.

Fine$$e 53:51
Everybody knows Live Aid, everybody knows Ozzy, but ahead off a bat like those are. So

Sidd Ekkad 53:56
like, those are just things like you can like route it back. Like like that. And I think like aspiring to have that hopefully you don't bite any bats on stage. But like,

Fine$$e 54:05
I do not feel like biting any bathroom on stage. But I will say it's just wild that somebody even had the guts to do that. I just think energy in general. I mean, to go deeper into it, we are all energy, everything around us is energy. So when you go into something like that with musical energy, and the feeling that something like art can give you being on stage is the best way to convey it. Because you're just encapsulate into it. You're immersed into it, your whole body's there, you're giving off everything in you essentially. So I think that's why we do look back at these artists and we're like, wow, that energy was wild because they just kind of let it all out. Like it's it's such a therapeutic thing, man. Like I got to advise everybody like if you feel creative or are artistic in any way, shape or form, but you're just like, scared to do something or fearful of what the next step may be. Don't do Just take the next step and to kind of deal with the consequences later because it has helped me in immeasurable ways,

Sidd Ekkad 55:06
not just the bars you were telling me earlier, the lessons.

Fine$$e 55:10
The lessons are everywhere, man. I'm playing some men.

Sidd Ekkad 55:13
Yeah. And then I think for my last question, because I, I'm shocked actually, we've covered this yet, but just talking about like, the collaboration culture and 47 eyes on me, like, how has that directly impacted you guys? Like, I've heard like, so many great things about him. Because just a great like culture that like really just is established on like, friendship, and growing together. So like, can you how do you guys like personally feel about that, like, what exactly really gets, like, what what is like, the crowning part of it that you think is like, you're glad to be part of this community.

Fine$$e 55:40
I mean, first off, being in it with two of my cousins, who I've just grown up with my whole life, that in itself, like shows, like a deeper, like, this isn't just business, this isn't just all, you know, us all trying to just blow up or whatever, like, there is that common interest, a common goal. And, like I saw, I said earlier, how chemistry is the most important thing, like, at the end of the day, we're all just friends. And we all, you know, hang out with each other, like, after this, we're just gonna go hang out at his house and just do whatever it like, it's just to be able to just have that group of people. And it just so happens that they're all so talented, it is motivating, inspiring, like I've always stated, and I will always give respect, I would not be where I am at all without 47 I would not be where I'm at all without Joey's and, and just everybody in that clique. Like, they have done immeasurable things for my trajectory, my journey and my career that I can just never repay them for, like, it's just all love. And that's a family at the end of the day

Sidd Ekkad 56:48
of the year. That's so great to hear. Especially like having like a, like a group of just people that are so like minded, and want to see you succeed, it's hard to find and the fact that you have that, and you treasure it perfect. Like, can you kind of go into that a little bit? Like what exactly do you love, like collaborating in that environment?

Cash Paradox 57:06
So yeah, so like I said, like, just meeting them in general, like a first, like, when I first met them, like, I just knew that they were good people. And based off 1000 Alright, let's work on music. So we worked on music and like, just, it's just the way we work together really, like we just have great chemistry inside the studio, like chemistry that I haven't seen with any other artists I've worked with. And everything just flows so smoothly. So I just really like how we're able to be on the same page about everything. And for the most part, like it has been, I mean, for the all part there's been no disagreements, none of that. So literally, like, it's just been fun and collaborate with them has been like a pleasure.

Sidd Ekkad 57:51
That's awesome. That's great to hear. I really can't wait to see what you guys got cooking up next. He is definitely at the top of my list. Very anticipated. So unfortunately, we got to wrap this up but man Yeah, just kind of Yeah, it's been real for real like and it's like kind of it's been really great talking to you guys. So just like plug your socials like plug any future projects you guys got coming in like what are the dates looking like? Any concert events? I know you mentioned some earlier.

Fine$$e 58:19
Okay. Oh, man. Well, once again, I am the one and only for Mr. phenom were part of local collective 47 Eyes On Me might have heard of us. I have a collaborative tape with this man right next to me cash paradox coming out in February it will be called Shinigami. I have another collaborative tape with a 47 member named Willie do cough and asked what to do coming out sometime next year. And another collaborative tape with my cousin, also another 47 member at JRC seeing ghost at the movies coming out next year. And the only upcoming shows I have to mention is like I mentioned before, there's one December 16 at etc in Greensboro. It's going to be starting at seven and ends at 12 We got a pretty much everybody from 47 popping out there. I got FBE Big John on DJ it's just going to be a crazy night and I'm going to be we're going to be unveiling the old EP with a lot of our just classic discography stuff and overall want to see as many people there possible and I appreciate you for this experience has been my first interview and it's been beautiful to say the least. Thank you so you can see great talking to you pass it over to cash.

Cash Paradox 59:29
Um yeah cash paradox on all socials, I guess. Yeah. I don't have my like, like I said, I have the EP coming out. But other than that, and the show but other than that, I'm just working just trying to see what I can come up with. Like I'm trying to, oh, I also do have an EP with my boy Cactaceae got, it's gonna be like, it's gonna be like just piano and violin songs like no vocals or anything. It's just gonna be like little it's gonna be like look classical music basically Like instrumental Jon's just instrumentals. Really? Yeah. So I got that coming out. Of course, like I said, like I had all these records coming out with 47 And yeah, so that's,

Fine$$e 1:00:11
oh yeah Galactus December 30 Oh, look at you.

Cash Paradox 1:00:14
What gives you the lock is December 30. That's gonna be dropped with me for NAS and Jacob. So

Fine$$e 1:00:21
using the government I forgot to say yeah, we're on all platforms to Apple Music, Spotify, Amazon, even though you know, we don't like Jeff Bezos but yeah, it's all love. We're still there.

Sidd Ekkad 1:00:35
We love to see it you so some fizzy guys. I can't wait to listen to hear like and hear what you guys got. This is Citycat with WKNC your favorite student run station NCSU signing off.

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