Off the Record

Plover 0:03
What's going on everyone you're listening to WKNC 88.1 FM Raleigh. This is off the record. I'm Plover, we are a WKNC is a nonprofit student run radio station based out of North Carolina State University. And today on our beloved interviews podcast, I am of course joined by several members of NC State's premier KPOP Dance Group K pack. Do you want to introduce yourselves?

Iniya 0:39
Hello, my name is Iniya. I'm the artistic director.

Kat 0:42
Hello, my name is Kat, I am one of the captains of K pack.

Plover 0:45
Awesome. Thank you so much. So y'all came on a mission, you'll have a very specific thing that you wanted to talk about today. What is that? Exactly?

Kat 0:54
Of course, well, this January coming up January 14, we will have our second annual KPACK showcase, which is our annual event where we have a concert but we perform all of our projects that we've done over the past year. So those include covers that we've done, those also include performances that we've custom performances that we've made, and some of our senior spotlights, which is something we started this year, where our seniors get an opportunity to do a solo dance and have some of the KPACK members as backup dancers. So we'll be seeing some of our first senior spotlights during the showcase.

Plover 1:27
That's really cool. Um, so just real quick, like, what day What time do want to give us a little bit of logistic info?

Kat 1:34
Absolutely. Well, it is January 14, from six to 9pm. It is in Stuart Theater, which is located inside Talley Student Union at NC State University. And there will be a 15 minute intermission. And that should be it there. We also have tickets that are on presale right now. They're $3. And they're also $5 at the door. Those are open now. And yeah, anything else you'd like to add?

Iniya 1:58
Yeah, we also have a bunch of wonderful guest performers performing for us. We have Suberitmo, fusion dance team, district collective and unicorn from UNC Chapel.

Kat 2:10
Yes. On top of that, we also have a lot of Raffles going on during the showcase. So we'll be giving away lots of food gift cards, we'll be having merchandise bundles, we'll be selling T shirts, and we will have a lot of Kpop bundles. We'll be raffling off different albums and keychains and a lot of little K Pop Pop merchandise.

Plover 2:29
Right. So what are some? If you're able to tease this, what are some maybe songs y'all are we performing?

Iniya 2:36
We have a bunch of songs it is going to be a power pack two and a half hour show. A couple songs from Le Sarafem we have a couple of NCT songs, we have twice, you know, bunch of all of the songs that were very popular over the past year, all our members are very enthusiastic to get started. So we have a bunch of very power packed itinerary for us.

Plover 3:03
y'all mentioned you you're an artistic director, and you're a captain, what exactly do those kinds of roles roles entail? Like what do y'all do on a daily basis with the club?

Kat 3:15
Yeah, sure. So my job is basically more of a supervisory role where I, along with Lindsay, the other captain of this team, we lead meetings for our executive board. So we get together, we go over everything that is going on in K pack. And we make sure basically, that everyone is doing the jobs that they have. We also plan to we're also trying to get a tighter connection with the members themselves. Because we've noticed that there's kind of a little bit of a gap between the executive board and the members. And so we also work to just communicate with the members and make sure that they have all the information they need to.

Iniya 3:48
Yeah, so as Artistic Director, I'm in charge of all of the actual dances and covers that we do. So just managing them making sure that all of the performance that we have are practicing and using their time efficiently. I also make all of the audio mixes that we use for our performances. And I also manage our Discord server because we have many chats that all of our groups are using. So yeah, I I was a little busy sometimes

Plover 4:20
a little bit of work so this is your main event, but they'll have like a number of like other things you do kind of preceding this like like maybe like weekly kind of performances at all.

Iniya 4:30
Um, we perform in and around Raleigh and on campus. Organizations will reach out to us or invite us to events or if we have an event that we want to perform that will perform. We also do a number of performances out in public so that maybe sometimes you'll see us out by the bronze wolves filming a video are out at the brickyard filming. So we have we plan on doing a bunch of stuff leading up to the Showcase to kind of advertise that. We also host community workshops every Two weeks, on Fridays from seven to nine Carmichael, where we'll have one of our members teach a popular KPOP Dance that they want to teach. And so people anyone on campus who has access to the gym is more than welcome to join and it's really, really fun. Everyone has a great time learning all the dances and then we filmed the videos for our YouTube channel.

Plover 5:26
Well, you mentioned you performed publicly in various events. What are some of your like, favorite videos favorite performances that that y'all have done? Either in public or like within an organization?

Iniya 5:36
My personal favorite was Packapalooza at the beginning of the year. It was honestly kind of surreal for me because I remember when I was a freshman back in 2019. This was the first packet Palooza since COVID. So last one was freshman year. And I remember watching KPACK before mat packet Palooza, they did a mash up of 17, BTS and Black Pink. And I was there and I was watching them. And then here I was three years later performing in the same spot that they did. It was kind of surreal. It was a great experience. I had a great time putting it together with 10 of our other members. So we worked all summer on it. It was really fun.

Kat 6:17
Yeah, I haven't quite had the Ben in the covers that have done a lot of those in public opportunities. But last year during showcase, we performed I can't stop me by twice. And we spent a really long time on that cover. But it really paid off because I could I could just really feel the energy flowing through all of our members as we performed. And it's definitely one of my favorite covers that I've done so far.

Plover 6:41
you mentioned of course, the showcase y'all when y'all performed you did is there kind of a visual element to like, like your costumes or like I the lighting or anything like that, in this showcase are the last showcase.

Iniya 6:51
Yeah, so there's a lot of planning that goes into our performances. Obviously, we tried to recreate the outfits that the idols were to our best of our abilities and within our budget. And then we also have a couple lighting. It's not it's nothing too fancy, but all of the dancers will have like a fancy backdrop that our members have chosen that they feel would fit the song best. But it's really the outfits that give the dance that that extra oomph because our members put so much hard work into their outfits. A couple of our groups have even made custom outfits they spent hours like sewing and stuff like that. So really props to our members for you know putting in that effort to make sure our dances look really good.

Plover 7:33
I understand y'all have to do like a lot of like quick costume changes how like it how is that had the showcase.

Iniya 7:40
I'm in over like half an hour of the show. Quick changes are. It's It's rough. But basically you just kind of have to plan around it. So I tend to layer a couple of my outfits. So I'll if I have to wear like a tank top for the next show. And I have a turtleneck on our the tank top underneath a turtleneck. So I just have to take off just layers. So it's really a bit of planning and you have to like think about it a little bit. But we'll have a couple of people backstage helping us out. So I think I think we'll be good. And we'll have our wonderful emcee Josh stall if we have any issues.

Kat 8:18
Yes, I'm very excited to see what he what flavor he adds to the show. On top of that last year, we definitely had a it was definitely a lot more difficult to do those costume changes because we didn't have a specific dressing room. So we actually had to reserve a room on the second floor Wetherspoon. So every time someone had to do a change, they would have to go up the stairs and down the hall. So there was definitely a lot of running a lot of planning to run to the bathroom instead of the dressing room to change in time. But it was honestly it was really fun. I think especially especially when you're not the one doing the costume change. It's really funny to watch. But now that we are in Stewart this year, there will be dressing rooms like right next to the stage. So those will be a lot hopefully things will be a lot more seamless and also Iniya you know made the setlist so our members won't be going back to back all the time. So that was definitely a good thing. Thank you for doing that.

Iniya 9:09
Yeah, that setlist? I took hours on that because I don't I don't think any member is going back to back for a song. They have all our members get a little break.

Kat 9:20
Yeah. And that's that's a really big feat considering we have 36 active members. And we have over 20 songs performing. So that is very impressive.

Plover 9:30
And how many performers are in one song at any given time?

Iniya 9:33
Usually, the average is usually like six to seven. Honestly, most of our songs this year have five, five members which actually was very helpful because compared to our last year showcase, we had a lot of big groups. So we had like a lot of nine member groups, a lot of seven member groups. So with all the smaller groups, it was kind of easier to space everybody out so there's not as much overlap between our different performances. Yeah,

Kat 10:00
And there's a pretty big range. I will say, I think the smallest group we have is one. And then And then because we do have a solo performance, and then the largest group we have is 12. Yes, yes. 12. Members. So look out for our opening act. The big one.

Plover 10:14
So yeah, you mentioned senior spotlights. While I kind of inspired y'all to do that. You mentioned this is like at this year thing.

Kat 10:20
Yeah. So last showcase, we had a segment during the show where we just put the seniors on stage. And we gave them the opportunity to talk about their favorite experiences in KPACK. And that was our way of recognizing them. This year, we plan to have those guest performances in place of those of that segment. But also, we really wanted a way, one big way to honor our seniors, because we always have, we've had these little things where like we put an Instagram post, or we just like mentioned them in our showcase slides. But we really wanted a way for them to be able to show off what they've learned during their time in K pack, and to really just pick a song that they love and be able to do it. So that's something we started this semester, and the seniors seem to be having a lot of fun with it. It's also a great way for us to cover a lot of our solo solo artists and Kpop because we've obviously we're obviously a group. And so it's a little bit difficult to do those like one, sometimes two member dances. So having those telling their seniors Hey, do whatever you want, make it what you want, pick who you want to be your backup dancers. It's something that they've had a lot of creative freedom with and something that they've really enjoyed.

Plover 11:24
Yeah, you mentioned there'll be a lot of guests performances, Are these like other Kpop groups. You mentioned one from UNC or like, is it just like dance groups in general in the area?

Iniya 11:32
Yeah. So UNC unicorn is UNC Chapel Hills. It's their KPOP Dance Team. We also have fusion, which is our competitive hip hop dance team. Super emo is our Latin dance team. And I believe district collective they, they're a new team. They host a bunch of dance workshops every Friday.

So they're, they're relatively new.

One of our members is also in K pack. So we wanted to give them a chance to sort of expand and yeah.

Plover 12:12
Let's see Spotify rap just dropped recently. Do y'all have any Kpop artists at the top like to shout out there?

Kat 12:18
Let's see. Definitely I am a huge street kids fan. And so my top artists is definitely street kids. I think all five of my top artists were all Kpop groups. So strike is definitely like my my top group. And so anytime we do a song by them, I'm really excited.

Iniya 12:35
Yeah, mine. If if you know me at all, mine was unsurprisingly 17.

I love that group to many bits. But yeah, my top five was also Kpop. I had 17 lsfm also made it on there.

But yeah, my Spotify wrapped wasn't all too surprising.

Kat 12:57
Yeah, sometimes, actually, I'm not the only person who uses my Spotify account. My parents, my grandparents also use it on their Alexa's. And so sometimes it will be like, Oh, apparently I'm listening to VeggieTales the Christmas edition. And I don't know why. So I'm really glad that none of that made it onto my Spotify route. But it's sometimes funny because my friends will be texting me seeing my Discord status and being like, why are you listening to VeggieTales? And I'm like, I'm not I swear. Because Vegeta was actually my top artists. I'm really top point 5% of listeners 100%.

Plover 13:28
You mentioned at one point, like the phrase idol, I don't know how much of our listening demographic listens to Kpop is that like, just like a performer? Is that what that means?

Iniya 13:36
So that's basically what we call the Kpop. Artists. They're called idols because they're kind of curated to be someone that you look up to. And yeah, they're just called idols. But you can call them artists or really anything. It's, it's replaceable.

Kat 13:53
I think a big distinction between like Kpop idols and most like, like Korean artists, or like hip hop artists, is because they don't just sing and a lot of Kpop is not about just the music, a lot of it is about because they do choreography, because, you know, they go on writing shows and have these like big personalities, and they talk to you and you really feel connected to them. So I think being an idol is more than just being a singer. And I think that's why they have that more idol personality that people can look up to.

Plover 14:20
Kpop is not something that is maybe the most mainstream thing of all time. What What kind of like got you into KPop was it through the dancing or like just in general?

Iniya 14:29
For me, it was actually the dance. I my first ever song that I listened to was dope by BTS. And that seems to be a trend it was it's usually that song that is the rabbit hole for a lot of new fans. But really what captivated me was the choreography to dope it was really intense. And I am classically trained in Indian bars and ITM which is a very ancient dance form. So

Look at is a very rigid symmetrical very intensive dance and I had been doing that for eight years so senior year of high school I was honestly looking for something new. And then my friend showed me BTS and I was just like, this is it this is this is it goes downhill from here. And so I started learning I started off by learning twice songs by I learned Black Pink, and then by that time, eyes one had debuted. So for my senior talent show, I made my official debut and I performed and eyes one song, and you know, got first place, you know, no biggie or whatever. So, so yeah, that was honestly when I kind of realized that this is something I really wanted to do. And when I was applying to colleges, actually made sure that the college I was going to had a K Fogg dance team and lucky for me K pack had just started. And so I already knew who they were when I came into NC State. I found them at pakka Palooza, and I was I was literally fangirling. SoI had a goal in mind.

Kat 16:06
That's great, because my first thought kpop song I ever heard was also dope by BTS. It was 2015. And dope by BTS. The music video popped into my YouTube recommended and I was like, Oh, this is, so I clicked on it. And I was like, Wait, this is actually really cool. So I bought it on iTunes on my iPod, and made my mom listen to it. And then I forgot about them. And then in 2018, I came across it and I was like, Wait, this is actually really good. Wait, do I know these people? And then I just kind of fell into the BTS rabbit hole until about like, 2021. And then I started getting into Etsy and NCT. txt, you want harmony, and it just keeps going. And then I discovered stray kids in late 2021. I'm not sure what exactly captivated me. Part of it's definitely the dancing, that's part of the reason why I love Kpop so much is because of their really complex. Choreography is where they really work as a collective. And they're not all trying to stand out. But, you know, I'm happy I stayed along for the ride. And I'm happy that I am. I came across this dance team, and I'm lucky enough to help lead it now.

Plover 17:09
That's really cool. So you mentioned back is kind of a new thing. Have you all had any, like growing pains as an organization?

Iniya 17:14
Oh, yeah, definitely. Um, you know, we're a bunch of dancers,and a bunch of different personalities, a lot of different dance styles. We, we were founded back in 2018. I joined in 2019. So me and probably like three, other three or four other members are probably the only ones left from 2019, all the others have either left or graduated. So as far as growing, I've been on the executive board for almost four years now. So I've seen all of the, all of the hard work that we put into it. And thankfully, Kpop is a very forgiving genre, there's a lot of different dance styles. So all of our dancers, they're free to do what dance that they want. So if they're unhappy, they, they can, they can really just do whatever, they have the freedom to do that. And we give them that freedom. They also have the ability to film the videos themselves and edit them. So and we're thankful for our members to if they do have issues, they're free to come to us with those issues. And we're, we're able to, like, you know, work it out. But yeah, it's really, it's really all about communication. And, and our members are pretty good with that.

Kat 18:31
I will say I joined in fall of 2020. So it was smack dab in the middle of COVID season. So I think that took a big hit on KPACK, because a lot of our dance covers rely on people meeting up and filming stuff together. So I as a, as a freshman, I joined and I was like, Okay, I don't know what to do, because there wasn't a whole lot to do. So there were like occasional, like virtual dance covers where people would film themselves individually, and then we would splice them together. But at the time, I was like I don't, I don't know, these songs like I just like, it's easy. And so I would film tiktoks. And that would be my like requirement for the semesters. But then once the following year, we really got back on our feet. And there was there were a lot of changes that we ended up making, just because we're trying to grow, I guess, with all of our members as time passed. So there's definitely, especially this year, there's been like a big change in leadership. And so we're all kind of we're figuring out how to grow into our roles, and really represent KPACK in a positive light. And so we you know, everything's a work in progress. We're all still, you know, trying to figure everything out and trying to do what's best for the team. But yeah, we are we're trying our best and there have definitely definitely been obstacles but I'm very proud to say that I'm a part of K pack.

Plover 19:49
Da have like recruitment issues over COVID and stuff you had to kind of overcome.

Iniya 19:53
Oh, yeah, so K pack kind of took a complete halt over over COVID We lost a lot of members due to the fact that some of them couldn't complete the requirements or they just did not want to be a part of it during COVID. But we actually did have a decent amount of people still come to our virtual auditions.

So, you know, the it was nice to see that people were still interested. But we are we, as Kat mentioned earlier, we really did take a big hit in membership, and we've haven't fully recovered from that, I don't think but it we have, we have a good group of members, I love my memory so much.

Kat 20:38
And on top of that, I will say we are we are growing much faster than I initially anticipated. Because, you know, we will occasionally go and like check out our YouTube channel or YouTube subscribers and our Instagram subscribers like we're, we're close to hitting 1000 followers on Instagram. And we're like, wow, like, people, even though it definitely did take a hit on the team. I'm really proud of us for being able to stay together. Because there are so so many people that are coming into NC State and are enjoying Kpop and are looking for a KPOP Dance Group like us. And so being able to still have that group and reach out and say, Hey, Come dance with us, because we want to just do fun covers together. It's really, it's great. Yeah, and it's kind of you can kind of see it with our auditions as a we hold auditions at the beginning of every semester. And you know, over COVID, we probably had seven people audition. Now this past fall, we had over 30 people audition. So it's it's really cool to see that this many people are interested. Our audition workshops are always packed to the full, full, full studio. So yeah, yeah, I had something but I forgot what it was. So

Plover 21:44
moving on, you mentioned audition. So let's say someone was listening to this and really wanted to join K pack what what is kind of the process for joining Kpop K pack as a member.

Iniya 21:53
So our audition process, it's honestly very simple. So we host a workshop on a Friday at the beginning of the semester, two of our members will teach a girl group choreography and a boy group choreography, it's only a minute long. And then they will have till the end of that weekend to submit two videos of the choreography that we taught. So they can either submit a video of both of the choreography that we taught, or they can choose one of the boy group or the girl groups on that we taught plus another song that they think we showcase their skills a bit more. So they do have like that option of showcasing themselves and then we as a executive board will come together and discuss and then we'll send out results. So relatively simple process.

Kat 22:39
Yeah. And I will say I've, I've heard from a lot of people who are auditioning. Like there's, there's a big worry of like, Oh, what if like, you know, there's a lot of competition this year, and like, I'm scared I won't get in. It's important to kind of for our auditions, we don't necessarily say like, okay, who's the best out of this group? What we do is we look at each member individually, and we think, okay, in a group setting where we're learning a dance with and probably trying to film within a month, will they be able to keep up? And if we do believe that their dancing style will be able to blend in with other members, and they will be able to keep up as a group you're in. So it's not. Yeah, so if there are a lot of people at workshops, do not be stressed out, like we do it. We evaluate everyone on an individual basis. And it's not like, oh, we take the top 10 from this semester or anything like that. Yeah, there's no limit on how many people we take per semester. If if we feel that you would be a good fit for us. You're in. So yeah, it's it's very, we're a very welcoming group, I feel. It's really cool.

Plover 23:34
You mentioned different dancing styles, I was kind of like I guess dancing style, different dancing styles to like, look for, like, categorize people and get back into.

Iniya 23:42
So Kpop itself. I say this to everyone who doesn't really know about Kpop Kpop. I describe it as an industry. So there's a lot of different genres within Kpop you have r&b of hip hop, a lot of Latin influences. You have the cutesy bubblegum pop, and you have like Girl crush. So really, our main goal for auditions is we're obviously a cover group, we, most of our choreographies are already made by the artists themselves. So our goal is to see how well you're able to pick up those dances, we are teaching within a one hour timeframe. So if you're able to learn quickly and keep up, so that way you can, you know, keep up during practices and whatnot. So that's what we're really looking for how quickly are you able to pick it up? And how quickly are you able to get the details and the quality of the dance down?

Kat 24:40
Yeah, in terms of dancing styles, as as any asset there are a lot of different dancing styles. And I think they we do have a lot of variation within our members. And while there are some more some members that really have like one distinct style, I would say most of our members fall somewhere in the middle where they can do like more like like jagged like sharp movements that the same

Time, they can have more fluid movement movements for like more sensual songs or something like that we do, we have a couple of members who, and I say, I say like boy group style very lightly because anyone can have a boy group quote unquote boy group style of dancing. But we do have a couple of members who are in that really like hip hop scene where they're very much like, they can dance very like with for lack of a better term swag. They have a lot of swag, and it's very swaggy. So we think we really value those members, because they really do stand out. And they're able to harness the energy of a lot of our boy group songs really well. But for the most part, everyone is kind of somewhere in the middle between like being able to do like really sharp and, and sensual movements, and just being able to do a little bit of everything. And that's, that would say the most, most of our members fall into that category.

Plover 25:49
So our boy groups and Gerber's, kind of like how artists are defined in Kpop.

Kat 25:54
Is that for the most part, I would say, so there are a couple of groups like card is the most popular one, where there's both women and men.A co Ed group, yeah, code group. Thank you.

Unknown Speaker 26:06
Yeah, unfortunately, there isn't a lot of non binary representation within Kpop. I'm really hoping that changes in the future, but just with the nature of South Korea, they're more of a conservative country. So there are mostly just boy groups and girl groups. And so when people are going when people are hoping to be in a group, they go under accompany under the training system where they go and they like take dance classes and singing classes and like classes on like, how to be a social media influencer, stuff like that. And then they get placed into a group by the company, usually, there's obviously variation, there are survival shows that form groups. And there's there's a lot of variation. But that's the gist of how these groups are formed. And those are the groups. The most popular groups are the ones that are like, all women or all men. And we usually take those groups and cover them because most people are interested in them. So those are the more like popular kind of Exactly.

Plover 26:53
Yeah. So is the typical member, someone who's been like, like dancing since like, the womb? Or is it? Are you able to, like kind of pick it up to some extent, if you're like a fan of dance, and I've never really danced, I guess competitively before it, could this be like your first dance experience?

Iniya 27:07
So dance is, it's just something that it comes with practice, same as any art form, really. So like, you can take me who's been dancing since I was five years old. Obviously, I started off with a very different style of dance, and I moved into more Kpop. But then you have some of our members started dancing over COVID Because they were bored. And honestly, I won't hesitate to say that they are better than me. So

it's just, it's really about practice. And you can kind of see that with our members. Or at least I've seen it in myself, when I first started dancing back in 2019, covering Kpop, I look at some of my old videos. And I was like, That's me, I hate that. But um, I am happy to say that I've kept at it, I danced all through COVID I danced my room. And even this semester, I've been taking like days to myself where I just go to the studio and just do my own thing. So it's really just about practice, I say anyone can dance, as long as they put in the effort. And they practice and they really want to improve.

Kat 28:16
And I can double up on the fact that anyone can, you don't have to have any dance experience to join Kpack, as long as we see your dance. And we're like, it doesn't have to be perfect, by the way, because we know that you're learning this within like two or three days and filming it and be like, okay, evaluate me. So we're looking at it and just saying Do we think you could keep up. And when we know that when people are in K pack, they have the opportunity to really just keep practicing, like any asset, and just to keep growing. And so we've seen a lot of our members who have improved a ton as dancers, or even members who like didn't get in the first time like they're more than welcome to re audition after spending some time really practicing and honing their craft or whatever you'd like to say. And we've seen that members who you know, re audition got in and spent a couple of semesters in here are doing right now. And they're really having a great time with the covers, and they're really valuable members in our group.

Plover 29:08
That's really cool. Is there anything else you wanted to hit on specifically the showcase? I know that's that's kind of coming up for y'all.

Kat 29:14
I think a lot of we've released I think most of the information we will for the actual showcase. I think we're saving a lot of our little surprises for the actual showcase. But we have I will say we do have a very fun song before intermission that I think people will really enjoy even if you are not a kpop fan, I think you will recognize the song. So I think even if you don't like hip hop, I think you can come in here and have a great time just watching dancers dance,

Iniya 29:42
and a couple of our songs, especially our senior spotlights. We didn't like restrict them to be just Kpop so a lot of artists and Kpop they'll cover they'll make their own choreographies to other like popular English songs. So we have a couple songs

might be recognizable, that are not Kpop. But they were covered by a Kpop. Artist. So that'll be pretty cool. But really, it is going to be a very long, fun. Two hour more than two hour show. So be sure to get your tickets there on our Instagram bio. And be sure to join our Discord server. It's very fun. We love talking about Kpop in there.

Kat 30:23
Yeah, on top of that our Discord server is with along with our Instagram, they're places where we advertise all of our events that are happening. So you see, when all of our performances are happening like all of our public performances or actual like professional performances, all of our workshops, we advertise those on our Instagram, and our Discord. So if there's any more information we'll be releasing about showcase any more teasers that we might come up with. Those will definitely be released via discord, YouTube, Instagram, so it's always great to just follow us on everything and then you won't miss out on anything.

Plover 30:53
What are the handles of those by the way, if anyone wants to follow them,

Iniya 30:56
so our Instagram is kpackncsu. Our YouTube is KPACK at NC State.

I believe our Tik Tok is also kpackncsu and the invite link to our Discord server is in our Instagram bio.

Kat 31:12
And our Instagram bio are also links to a lot of our different music, about almost a music video sorry, our YouTube videos including like our most recent covers our most recent performances, our most recent workshop, and tickets for the showcase are also in that that link tree that we have in our Instagram bio. So everything you can possibly need is in that link tree in our Instagram bio as well.

Plover 31:34
Thank you so much for being here and i i have my tickets of course I can't wait for the showcase and hope everyone listening. It's gonna be great time.

Kat 31:42
Thank you so much. This was great.

Plover 31:43
Of course. Thank you so much for listening. If you'd like to check out more podcasts from WKNC You can go to wknc.org/podcast Got off the record or browse around. We got a lot of great podcasts going we have a political history podcast, we have an email podcast and so much more. This has been off the record I've been plover you've been you and have a good one.

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